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Anyhow. Hey, this morning, I was on with Mr. JACK Heath. And jack had an interesting topic for us. We talked about the President’s conversation with Ukraine and the Ukraine president, and what is it that was said what was recorded more particularly what those technologies that are out there are? So I went into that in some depth on that. Here we go with Mr. Jack Heath.

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Craig 0:00
Craig Peterson here with a good morning to everybody. We are starting to see fall light conditions here in the northeast United States; the trees are turning. The one right outside my window here has begun to turn red. And it is a gorgeous red when it’s in full fall mode, I guess is what you’d call it. And, and we had a light freeze, that means the mosquitoes are going to start going away. Yeah, it is turning into that six months where there are no leaves on the trees. I don’t know if I’m looking forward to that or not. Anyhow. Hey, this morning, I was on with Mr. JACK Heath. And jack had an interesting topic for us. We talked about the President’s conversation with Ukraine and the Ukraine president, and what is it that was said what was recorded more particularly what those technologies that are out there are? So I went into that in some depth, and I want to encourage everybody who is a listener here on podcasts as well, to make sure you subscribe, I would appreciate a five-star review from you. I appreciate everybody that sends me notes emails about what they have been listening to what they appreciate. But if you wouldn’t mind taking just a couple of minutes, I would appreciate it would do a lot for the show. And to get it into more hands but if you go to Craig Peterson dot com slash iTunes, that’ll take you to the Apple site, where they have all of their podcasts, and it’ll allow you to hopefully leave a five-star review for me and comment on what you think about it. So please take a minute anyhow. Here we go with Mr. JACK Heath.

Jack 1:51
One of the questions I had and our next guest and contributor Craig Peterson, our tech talk guy, might be a good person to pull into this because we’ve not had any rehearsal where he did not know where I was going with this. And Justin, you and I were talking during the break. You think about the older days, like when Richard Nixon and that was when the impeachment process happened and the Watergate there were tapes. And they had the old fashioned tape recordings. Right. Craig Peterson, they had the old fashioned tape recorders that record individual conversations for a historical reason or otherwise correct. Yeah, absolutely. So in this day and age, Craig, is anyone sort of broken down in this current story? With Ukraine? The President’s conversation, whistleblowers? Someone recorded the President’s conversation, and they produce a transcript. And is that the intelligence community that was listening in on the Ukraine leader, Mr. Zielinski? Or was everything call out of the White House recorded? Was the President on the secure line to the White House switchboard? Was he on a cell phone? I mean, where you see what I’m asking?

Craig 2:53
Yeah, I do. And those are really great questions. Any call going in and out of the United States is typically monitored and maybe even recorded. In the case of the President’s call from what we’re understanding right now. The notes that have been released, what’s been called a transcript, is not a transcript. But were actual notes that were recorded by someone. Is there a tape somewhere? Well, yeah, there probably is almost certainly there is. And of course, it’s not tape. And in this age of the deep fakes, who knows what’s going to end up happening? But yeah, we don’t at this point appear to have a smoking gun. It’s kind of he said, she said, and here’s my note.

Jack 3:38
I mean, I would think, Craig, and I’m, you know, I know it’s hard for people not to be political for a moment. Everyone’s picking sides and so divisive. But it’s like, I’m just sort of fun thought for a minute because Justin and I, Justin, can we say this without getting like a Wikipedia breach? When we recently interviewed the President of the United States, he called in, and when he called in, and the White House called in, there was an echo in the background, and, and I was okay with it, but he didn’t like it. And he’s the boss. So he goes, I’m going to hang up and call you back. Right? Remember? Yeah, he went through the White House switchboard. And then he said, I’m just gonna call you direct from my desk at work, I find that works a lot better that way. Actually, when he said, it works a lot better. We were in the middle of that because he didn’t like how it sounded. So he was talking about a different line. My point is this unrelated to Ukraine, you would think the president united states has to be able to talk with people like a business leader, family member, you know, just call and say, Hey, what’s going on and be a human being at some point, even though the President have a conversation, right. I mean, former presidents, I would just imagine, Presidents have all kinds of conversations and have to be able to do that with anyone from a confidant, a friend, an advisor, a former business friend, leader, Celebrity, not you know, you know, I’m saying, and I just wonder on this, you can call was this where we listening? And this is what a lot of people don’t know, we listen in a lot the United States, and maybe you can talk about this technology, we’ve listened in on the German Chancellor’s conversations, and what talks about illusion? We are alleged, how, like, you know, other countries, Russia and everything we listen into that we bought it to the Israeli phone conversations and elections. I mean, come on. I mean, this is done all the time. But I just was wondering on this exact call, was it I will be listening in where we will we eavesdropping on the Ukraine leader, and they picked up this conversation? Where did that where did this come from?

Craig 5:26
Well, there’s probably a dozen or more copies of the conversation somewhere actual tapes of this thing? Well, you obviously not physical tapes. But yeah, there’s something called the Five Eyes. And these are five countries. It’s the United States, Canada, the UK, Australia, and New Zealand, who all spy on their own citizens. Yes, the United States as part of this, and they all work together, because in some cases, they can spy on them domestically, but they can spy on them when they make calls around the world. So you can bet that these five eyes have conversations recorded, including of our president, unless they are encrypted. And there is a whole bunch of flak that’s going on right now with Facebook, you might have heard about this, and Zuckerberg and he wants to be able to allow you to have encrypted conversations. You have WhatsApp, you might remember President Obama when he was elected, he had his blackberry and he wanted to use that. And he couldn’t because it wasn’t secure. So yeah, the President has secure communications. And they can communicate securely at the highest levels. Typically, there’s something called a skiff involved, which is a room that is soundproof and also, there’s no radiation to get in or out. In other words, no cell phone signals can penetrate it. And you’re not supposed to bring recording equipment into one of these gifts. So in those cases, yes, the President could actually absolutely have a completely classified and private conversation with someone on the other end. But on the other end, they have to have a way of having the secure conversation as well. And that means both sides have to be using the same types of encryption, etc. But in this day and age of you know, you mentioned President Trump calling in and hearing an echo and he didn’t like it. And we think about the movies where you hear click on the line, or there’s some sort of a weird echo. When we want to monitor to spy to listen in to record conversations. There is no longer clicked there. It’s not quieter than it had been before. There’s no Echo, we can record it. And to answer your question, jack, there’s no question that the call was made in the clear, there’s no question that there’s a two dozen, maybe more countries that have copies of the audio. And on top of that, we do have our State Department and various spying agencies who do listen in on purpose, just to make sure they understand where the President is going with things when it comes to our foreign relations.

Jack 8:13
Good stuff. All right, Craig, and you always have more I know, but on that one, I thought I’d catch you with something that I think some people might be asking, you know how this stuff is done, or where does it come from? All right, Craig Peterson to tech talk. I know you had a nother subject but we’ll catch that next week. Thank you, Craig.

Craig 8:28
Great stuff Thanks.

Jack 8:29

All right. How are

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